Curse

ShaneOfMach · May 27, 2010, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Much respect ! now thats the sort of person that i can say will be missed in game, one that mans up! hopefully with that attitude of both awareness and owning you're decision we see you in GW2 ready to be better then you were before

@ ShaneOfMach "Enjoy attacking me all you want, it doesn't make you seem more intelligent or witty, nor does it make me feel worse.

So my point is, provide me an actual rational and sound opinion on the subject, rather than LOL BOT YOU TRASH I HOPE YOU DIE. Frankly, I'm not the one being immature here."
don't recall saying any of that, hmm, mad much ?
lets hope you mature to half the level of Pugs here.

I've already admitted it and I already knew it was wrong. I apologize if I haven't sucked your dick while I was "manning up".

What's interesting is that I really don't care about being banned, but even so others do. This thread is not about me, I'm just simply bringing up a topic for discussion.

MArcSinus · May 27, 2010, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Dhuum wanted his ecto back and was very mad ofcourse, sounds like an appropriate punishment.. But realy, you took the risk and you knew there was chance you could be banned. This could have happen at any moment.

fortior · May 27, 2010, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

Dhuum wanted his ecto back and was very mad ofcourse, sounds like an appropriate punishment.. But realy, you took the risk and you knew there was chance you could be banned. This could have happen at any moment.

YESSS THE ECTO IT'S ALL MINE
/proceeds to swim in a tub of ectoplasm

I, for one, would love to see this.

ManlyMan · May 27, 2010, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Warvic

you called 2000 botters, 2000 active players. I lol'd

I love it too, these retard botters are so pathetic at lying. If you look around at some of the admitted botters, you have people having anywhere from 2-30+ side accounts (lord knows how many the gold sellers have, and i wont take them into account), and even if we make the average around 10 accounts per 1 person botting (yeah i know thats a bit low), thats >400 people total effected...and i'm being generous, the number is prolly a bit lower.

"oh noes GW is gona b ded wit out botarz"

"comuniti iz ded"

"dis gam iz ded an empti nao"

No. Stfu and gtfo.

cormac ap dunn · May 27, 2010, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

I've already admitted it and I already knew it was wrong. I apologize if I haven't sucked your dick while I was "manning up".

shame you think that the one person to be at the very least responsible for their actions was doing any such thing. more so the reason you no longer being in game is not a loss

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

What's interesting is that I really don't care about being banned, but even so others do. This thread is not about me, I'm just simply bringing up a topic for discussion.

for a person that doesn't care, you are rather defensive, i rather prefer the term Bott-hurt for people like you. but lets see where this open discussion that you won't allow to have a different opinion is going, what exactly were you opening for discussion? all i'm seeing is ME ME ME from the last few posts, might want to have a point other then being rude and apparently angry.

freedom_razor · May 27, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Ofcourse, IDK if its dll detection but it probably is.

If it was true, all the accounts injecting .dll would be banned. But not all of them are banned. More likely, it was some guy/guys checking widely available list of bots, running them, and then just standing in outposts they knew that the bots are for, collecting nicknames.

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On topic, yeah, it is too harsh. The general reaction to people complaining about being banned is also harsh. In virtual reality, this was 3700 deaths sentences carried out. To a cheering crowd of course. Welcome back to Dark Ages.
The fact of the matter is that most of the banned people were not some evil RL traders selling stuff for dollars and buying cars and houses with it. Most were just PvE players doing some titles, getting some gold for their own use or getting PvP titles they could not otherwise get [champ points anyone?].

I'm pretty sure that a slap would be more than enough to stop those players forever from botting. And if not, and if the tools ANET has are so sophisticated, they'd only have some more time before the perma ban [assuming they re-offend].

Why there was no warning? Maybe because they don't really have any special tools, just some peeps sadly watching outposts for bot-like activity? If they give a warning in such situation, most ppl stop botting, but not all. And soon enough, those that continue botting realize that 'detection tools' are a big piece of PR talk, and they can bot no problem, undetected [unless they do smth stupid like going back to old bots, in old outposts etc.]

P.S. Is it really necessary to gloat so much, and take so much joy in others' misery? LOL & FFS. I know you'd all kill the poor guy on the chair in Stanley Milgram experiment, but at least try to pretend you're something better. And those few that want banned goods to be redistributed - that'd be against EULA, no? And also, why would you want filthy botted stuff anyway? :P

Gennadios · May 27, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

What's interesting is that I really don't care about being banned, but even so others do.

For someone that doesn't care, you're still participating in a discussion on a fan forum on the topic.

That's indicative of not having let go, and altruism because "others do" rings kind of hollow.

Zehnchu · May 27, 2010, 10:54 PM // 22:54

In one word yes

Some of these people have been around for five to three years and knew what was at stake for engaging in such things. They have warned people about the what would happen if they where caught doing something wrong in previous bans and the announcement on the log in screen, that was the first, second, and last warning before termination.

Coming here trying to appeal what happened and to gain the support and sympathy from the community to over turn the bans isn't going to help, your best chance it to contact support.

ManlyMan · May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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In virtual reality, this was 3700 deaths sentences carried out. To a cheering crowd of course. Welcome back to Dark Ages.

Damn, that's some good stuff you're smoking there. LOL

Raynb · May 27, 2010, 11:08 PM // 23:08

I usually dont like being arrogant but in this case...

For god's sake, STOP CRYING LIKE A BABY!!!

the EULA is A.Nets contract with players. There is clearly stated that if you bot you WILL get banned if they judge it right, and when you press the cute little button called I AGREE you just accepted for as long as you play the game, that you will play by their rules or face the punishments that A.Net judges fair.

But, if you got banned and you REALLY did not use anything else than Texmod, KSmod or whatever you honestly think was not a malicious bot program, then sorry for being rude and please contact NC Support, they will listen to you and try to solve it if you are really innocent.

So, TL;DR: IF YOU BOTTED, STOP COMPLAINING CAUSE YOU AGREED TO BE BANNED AT FIRST PLACE!

Rocky Raccoon · May 27, 2010, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by freedom_razor

On topic, yeah, it is too harsh. The general reaction to people complaining about being banned is also harsh. In virtual reality, this was 3700 deaths sentences carried out. To a cheering crowd of course. Welcome back to Dark Ages.

The Dark Ages reference seems very appropriate in an online fantasy game,
maybe we should have pillories in the major cities so the culprits can be vilified publicly. What I think is harsh are all the crazy justifications for what they were banned for.

“The worst crime is faking it”

Kurt Cobain

FlyMoto · May 27, 2010, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Alright, I agree, unban the accounts.

Instead I think a simple solution works:
Strip all items & gold off all of them
Make them unable to pick up any items or gold
Unable to send chat messages to local, party, or whisper,
Reset all titles and HoM
Unable to party with anyone except henchmen, who all ragequit upon entering any instance.

SunfallE · May 27, 2010, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Wait... we had bots in the dark ages?

Seriously though, I can't be bothered to mourn the lose of programs. The real people behind them weren't even playing anyway. lol

Tullzinski · May 27, 2010, 11:28 PM // 23:28

LOL History repeats itself. This is exactly what it was like back when Blizzard banned the crap out of everyone for botting in D2. Then a month later they turned around and banned everyone that was using Maphack.

Send your lame motivations and excuses for botting to the ANET support desk, maybe you will get a cookie there.

Botters have been banned since the beginning of this game. It is a constant cycle and will continue as long as hackers and game companies continually update their methods.

I hope the bans continue in larger numbers...

Nerel · May 27, 2010, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by code

By setting up a climate of hatred/ignorance of their own players, ArenaNet provoked this a lot more than it should have been.

She was asking for it! Seriously, the guilty have the nerve to blame the victim and somehow feel justified? That's pretty lame right there...

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Originally Posted by code

Honestly, I agree. If you just look at the activity spike Guru is getting right now, you know most of the users viewing threads right now are active players who got caught in this incident. They should have just wiped all the items from the account and placed a hefty 2 Months suspension and I'm sure many of the botters would reconsider their choice of gameplay style.

Yeah, that's what it is... all the activity is poor, downtrodden botters that are crying out at the injustice of it all. We can ignore the fact that the majority of the posts are either cheering Anet for catching you scumbags or just lol'ing at your stupid excuses. Two months is a hefty suspension? You're sure that many botters would reconsider botting? Well, a permaban is the only way to deal with the worst scum in the game, botters and gold sellers... and I'm pretty sure a permaban will do a whole lot more to dissuade future botters than a slap on the wrist and an invite to come back and play some more... it sends a pretty clear message.

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Originally Posted by code

Oh come on. No one knew of the repercussions or they would not have botted in the first place.

You knew what the risks were, you knew that you could get caught... you took a chance and you lost, and now you want to cry about it... no sympathy.

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Originally Posted by code

By setting up a climate of hatred/ignorance of their own players, ArenaNet provoked this a lot more than it should have been.

Read: I didn't want to be a cheating scumbag, I'm a good person, ArenaNet MADE me do it. Taking responsibility for you own actions has never been so unpopular.

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Originally Posted by code

Now grow up and get some english spelling lessons.

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Originally Posted by code

Make that arrogance and lack of capitalization.

Okay, and here is your first free English lesson. English is a proper noun, and thus it is capitalized.

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Originally Posted by code

You do relate as to how being thrown off by other players cheating against you can emotionally weaken many people? This is what I'm talking about.

The irony of the whole story is that in the end, those that are the most attached to the game will be the most likely to fall for it and lose their achievements permanently.

Everyone else is doing it (a lie to begin with) so why can't I? Stop blaming other people for your bad decisions.

The people most attached to this game are the ones who would never jeopardize their account by doing something so foolish that they know is against the rules, is likely to result in a perma-ban if caught, and by it's very actions is destroying the game they care so much about...

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Originally Posted by code

IANAL but I recall there even being an intellectual property law that makes permanent bans from any one-time-paid service illegal.

That would be relevant if you at anytime had ownership rights over any of the intellectual property that ArenaNet is denying you access to... you never did, so it's entirely irrelevant here. Such IP laws might become a nightmare for companies like Second Life, and possibly even EVE, but they are a red herring here being used by desperate cheaters, unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions.

To the OP, no sorry, a permanent ban isn't heavy handed or over the top for botting... botting is insidious and difficult (and costly) to combat, destructive to the game community. A clear set of warnings and a zero tolerance policy all clearly spelled out before you get to install the game makes it very clear what the outcome of botting is. If they catch you, they will ban you.

And, to be honest with you, ArenaNet backing down on these bot bans would be enough to make me reconsider ever buying another of their products. If ArenaNet doesn't want to run fair games where people aren't rewarded for being cheating scumbags... I have no interest in giving them my money.

jesh · May 27, 2010, 11:33 PM // 23:33

OP: Yes.

I just read the topic.

kanuks · May 28, 2010, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by It's Goofy Time

I whole heartedly agree with you. This ban is ridiculous, I'm at like the stage of grieving right now. I feel as if 8000 hours of my life was ripped away from me. I can't emotionally handle this, a few of my friends are at the point where we will do anything to gain our accounts back.

8000 hours of play or 8000 hours of botting?

If you guys really cared that much about your precious accounts, you wouldn't have cheated your ways into uberness. You guys knew it was illegal and took the risk. Too bad!

snaek · May 28, 2010, 12:19 AM // 00:19

i agree with op partially. punishment should have varying degrees depending on the such factors as the amount of botting and the amount earned through botting, etc. anet's detection methods are most likely shit though, or they couldn't just be arsed to look at each case on a per individual basis. at this point however, its much too late to revoke the bans. what's done is done.

Tearz1993 · May 28, 2010, 12:22 AM // 00:22

yes the terminations were appropriate.

what I don't agree with is the prevention of future accounts being bought by the same person.

Torpoon · May 28, 2010, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Thank you so much for banning these botters. I was beginning to have second thoughts about gw2 because I was worried that the botting problem would get out of hand there too. Termination was very appropriate and I feel like working on my HoM and pvping is more worth my time. The majority of the GW population fully backs this decision, just look back at the anti-botting threads